(If anyone finds the way I discuss race in this problematic, please let me know so I can change it so it’s more appropriate to the conversation at hand)
The topic of PoC in Britain has been discussed at length here before. However, I feel like it hasn’t been discussed enough because some dumb…
You’re using information (much of it purely speculative) from literally over a millennia before fantasy stories like Brave are meant to take place. Yes, there were PoCs in Europe in the middle ages, but they were EXTREMELY few in number. Other than the Romans (Who had long since left, and were mostly white by a large margin) people just didn’t move around much in that era. Unless you’re going to complain about Mulan featuring only Chinese people (Europeans, Africans, and Middle Eastern people all traveled to ancient China) or that 95% of the characters in Monty Python and the Holy Grail are played by the same 6 Englishmen, you’re just going to seem hypocritical to me.
Why do people always bring up Mulan? Always? Despite it being full of people of colour. In contrast to brave which has ~none~.
And as for those other films you’ve mentioned, what exactly are you saying?
“These films also didn’t cast POC, so….”
What are you getting at? The OP is specifically focusing on Brave which came out in 2012, with not a single person of colour. Not on a film which came out 1975.
Actually their character designs did show a black character that wasn’t used in the final production. Which shows they were going to show a POC in 15th Century Scotland. Along with the oh so believable magical bears which no one seems to have any qualms with.
So what exactly is your point.
The point is that if you’re going to demand PoCs in movies like Brave, despite there being a very small number of PoCs in Europe in the middle ages, you should also demand people of other races in movies like Mulan since there were also small groups of non Chinese people in ancient China. Otherwise you’re a hypocrite and not advocating any sort of actual equality.
…there are 894032849023 shows with white people for white children to grow up with and identify with. There’s a “token” show for every other race.
These movies are for children to grow and learn from and you know what? I think we’ve had enough white people as it is in TV. White folk have had TV forever. The point of this entire discussion and what it stems from isn’t OMG EXACT EQUALITY but instead to go, “Why can’t children of colour have role models too without offending white people for asking for them?”
It’s great that we’re all adults and can go, “Oh yeah well history issue x y z”, but it’s a completely different thing for little kids - WHO THESE SHOWS ARE FOR - to never have anyone who looks like them. If there can be magical goddamn animals, there can be black or native or any other person of colour from any part of the world in any film because a child’s self-esteem comes before historical issue x.
The history? FASCINATING, and thank you so much for posting that, OP. But these kinds of posts are around not because they want to force an issue, but to argue against the disturbingly large number of people who will come up with any and every excuse to cut out people of colour from shows.
There are kids who don’t understand that they can dream about being a mermaid or a princess or any other fantastical imagination-based childhood experience because they’ve never seen a representation of that in their shows.
White people have had TV forever. They’ve had books forever. A extremely slim percentage of characters are people of colour, and that needs to stop.
If skin tone is such an issue that it matters more to be argued against by people than the reality behind talking animals, I think it speaks volumes to how racist the average person is, whether they realize it or not.
Who the fuck are you, why are you reviving this long dead argument to force yourself into it, and why the fuck should I care enough to even read what you said, let alone actually respond to any of it?